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Dave Ulrich, The Leadership Code

Dave Ulrich, The Leadership Code

Dave Ulrich, author of The Leadership CodeDave Ulrich is a titan in the world of HR, a champion for HR to get out of the ‘comp and bens’ ghetto to have a strategic impact. I first met Dave when we were both speaking at a conference in India. A big crowd, all ready to be lectured for the day by Dave. And the session was electric. Dave found the perfect balance between sharing wisdom, being provocative and being playful with the group. He is a prolific writer, with articles and books on many aspects of HR and leadership, his most recent book is The Leadership Code: Five Rules to Lead By. Dave is a partner and co-founder of The RBL Group and is also a professor of business at the Ross School of Business at the University of Michigan.

Dave and his wife Wendy have written a lovely piece in Do More Great Work.

In this interview Dave and I discuss:

  • the art of finding simplicity in complexity – and how that fits with system thinking
  • the value of staying in a place of ambiguity rather than rushing to decisions
  • the link between energy and engagement
  • and why, at the end of the day, you shouldn’t take things too seriously

You can find Dave on his website, DaveUlrich.com.

Listen to my interview with Dave Ulrich.

0:16    Michael introduces Dave Ulrich
0:57    Dave’s new book called Leadership Code:  Five Rules To Lead By
1:59    The art of finding simplicity in complexity – and how that fits with system thinking
5:52    The value of staying in a place of ambiguity rather than rushing to decisions
11:06  The link between energy and engagement
15:19  Dave gives checklist of what is critical in leadership
18:22  Why, at the end of the day, you shouldn’t take things too seriously
21:40  Investing in yourself
25:03  Michael closes the interview

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